Cannabis factory discovered in Widnes (From Runcorn and Widnes World)

Another cannabis farm? Is this the last one? Has the war on drugs now been won? Thank god eh and we're not spending an eye-watering amount of money when we are skint anyway.

Oh no, back in reality, this is no where near the last one. There will never ever be a last one with our current policy with this remarkably safe drug cannabis. Under our current insane and illogical laws we will be spending billions upon billions always trying to stop them - with no end ever.

For what? Cannabis is safer than peanuts. Far more people are admitted to hospital every year for peanuts than cannabis. Far more people die from peanuts than cannabis every year. If the tabloids so wished they could fill far more regular front page stories regarding peanut tragedies than cannabis. There are far more tearful families - real victims - of peanuts the tabloids could easily find to incense the nation about this nutty scourge in our midst - "go on, give us a cry will you, that will make people angry".

They choose not to of course, because the peanut industry, not to mention a nation of nut lovers, would rightly say; what are you doing picking on peanuts in such a targeted skewed unnecessary way.

The tabloids do this to cannabis though. Why? Because it sells stories of course - incensing people sells - they are only interested in making money. We all now know that the truth or even morals to them are way down the list from truth, bizarrely discarded for selfish profit. Cannabis scare stories are a cash cow to the tabloids. Unfortunately that continued pushing of hate filled ignorance from the tabloids is making the world a far worse place than it needs to be because it is an obstacle for change.

Shame eh. Things will change of course, but it really needs to be sooner rather than later as every moment we wait, wastes more of our money vainly trying to stop something we can't, and is relatively hugely safe anyway, and hands more money to despicable criminals. I'm not expert but I'm sure they're not the best people to trust with wads of cash.

Instead of producing cannabis in clandestine and often very unhealthy conditions, as is encouraged by prohibition, we need to be moving towards a more honest and open system of regulation. People will look back on this era of Cannabis prohibition much as we now look back and see how stupid alcohol prohibition was. This is all so damaging to society and every day the damage gets worse and harder to recover from. Can you imagine the power that the likes of Al Capone would now wield if the alcohol prohibition had been allowed to continue for nearly 100 years? They would have enough legislators in their pockets so that they could influence governments and ensure that alcohol prohibition continued. Now that is exactly the position the "drug barons" are in today. For this reason I believe that legalisation of Cannabis is the most urgent issue on this planet today.
What we need, instead of a blanket prohibition of Cannabis, is a proper legally regulated supply that will benefit the U.K. economy through huge tax revenues and free up the resources of the police and courts to deal with real crimes. Most of all a properly regulated supply will protect young people, as it is in the area of Age Limits that prohibition has proven such a huge failure. In countries where there is provision for the legal supply of Cannabis to adults the use of Cannabis, and indeed other substances as well, is greatly reduced amongst youngsters. This is because the licensed suppliers know full well that if they are caught supplying to minors they stand to lose their licence, so they just don't do it. Whereas in good old Blighty we have to soldier on with prohibition giving the whole market straight into the hands of dealers who simply want to see your money, they will sell Cannabis to anyone of any age. And that's not all! A few unscrupulous dealers will sometimes say "Oh sorry, I couldn't get any weed this week, this other stuff is all they had, why don't you try some?" and then proceed to offer Heroin.
So, legalise, regulate and tax the supply of Cannabis for a Britain that is happier, less violent and more affluent.

Well Insp Ian Whiley congratulations on this 'significant find'. I'm sure the good people of Widnes will sleep safe in their beds knowing that you've destroyed 500 plants and probably momentarily disrupted people's enjoyment of a natural herb.

I feel much safer knowing that Cheshire Police take the crime of indoor gardening so seriously. After all, in these times of austerity of course we want to see greater enforcement of one of the most stupid laws ever made by man.

Well done Insp Ian Whiley, congratulations on your support of continued crime through prohibition. I hope it feels good to be serving a corrupt and spineless government, one which is too scared to face up to the real truth and listen to the people it serves. A government which puts corporate interests and greed before, caring and compassionate medicine.

I find it incredibly amazing that the government can grant a licence to a single pharmaceutical company to grow tonnes and tonnes of medicinal grade cannabis each year, only to deny citizens of this country, safe and free access to it, while this company makes huge profits, exploiting the misery caused by serious illness.

The police, the government and big pharma all make me utterly sick. It is you that are the real criminals in this war on people.

Usual waste of tax payers money, can't say I'm surprised really, police are just minions of a corrupt government, whilst their financed by "Big Pharma" and all of the other markets that will be put under pressure by the legalisation of cannabis such as the Cotton, Petroleum, Plastic, Concrete and Tobacco, Alcohol industries will all try to suppress a policy change as it is in the own interest. As long as all of these industries are aloud to make anonyomous donations to wait ever better they feel will wield best results as GW pharaceuticals did with the Labour party... Hopefully the more people that read this and realise how they're being screwed over by the people who are supposed to be representing them the better tbh... unfortunatley until then normal people will be discriminated against, criminalised for simple choosing to partake in a drug that is over 1000 times safer than alcohol and has proven time and again for nearly 30 years to effectively protect against Cancer... nuff said...

Ohhh its the 'comment warriors' again! For those who dont know who or what the above are there a band of merry men all from the same group 'clear' who troll the internet all day looking for news on cannabis and leave comments like the above in an attempt to promote pro-cannabis views on growing, cultivation and the legalities of it etc You will se from the 4 different comments there all in fact the same just worded slightly differently!

chunkymunky wrote:
Ohhh its the 'comment warriors' again! For those who dont know who or what the above are there a band of merry men all from the same group 'clear' who troll the internet all day looking for news on cannabis and leave comments like the above in an attempt to promote pro-cannabis views on growing, cultivation and the legalities of it etc You will se from the 4 different comments there all in fact the same just worded slightly differently!

"You will see from the 4 different comments there all in fact the same just worded slightly differently!"

Maybe that's because the truth does not differ, merely the way we say it.

You seem to misunderstand my post Dan, this is not an attach on what your trying to do, i fully appreciate why your doing the campaign however i think its unfair for you all to try and sway opinion by all pretending your all different people from different avenues of life when in fact your all 'comment warriors' from clear, i think its only fair to let the reading public know this fact in order to give a fair understanding of what’s actually going on. I think its unfair that many of you take the view to flood local news boards such as this talking about propaganda etc when you come on masse and don’t inform people your all from a lobbying group, its a double standard!

OK I understand what you are saying now chunkymonkey. I will not post here again unless someone wishes to debate any points about the news item.
I would, however just like to clarify that all the people who have posted here ARE all different people from different backgrounds, we just happen share one particular aim for which we have formed a group!

I am not part of CLEAR but I agree with what they have posted..... What a waste of police time + money. It is time that the police stand up + challenge the LAW if the want to be looked at as a moral force instead of nothing more than a legal gang of thugs causing more harm to society than good !!!
They are creating criminals under the guise of PROTECTING society, when the Police stand up + say NO they will not do this they may get the support from the common people again instead of it being US + THEM. They need to consentrate on the real criminals before there is a complete breakdown of LAW.
Alcohol is a far worse DRUG so stop being hipocrites + stand up for what is right instead of hiding behind the LAW.
The people will win, look around the World........ You can`t controle by force + lies, the truth is coming out + then what will you all say !!!
Will you admit you were wrong + say sorry .... I doubt it !!!!

fyi chunkymunky, I was commenting on stories like this long before I discovered CLEAR. It just so happened that I found CLEAR through such comments.

My involvement with CLEAR is merely as a supporter of their cause and I am in no way a 'lobbyist'. My opinion is my own, based on what I read, it just so happens to echo that of CLEAR's.

You'll find many people not associated with CLEAR commenting to, it just so happens that comment warriors is one of the most effective mediums to get this message across that prohibition has failed and that we're not just druggy scum bags who deserve to be treated like criminals.

While you may think it is unfair for us to descend 'en masse', what you have to appreciate is that more and more people are coming to realise that cannabis is not the cause of societies problems and that prohibition is and that the police should be targeting real crime with real victims.

The weight of public opinion is swaying, hence why you don't see a flood of prohibitionists on these pages, damning the pot heads and applauding the police.

I don't actually know any of my fellow posters personally and I can assure you we are from all walks of life.

chunkymunky wrote:
You seem to misunderstand my post Dan, this is not an attach on what your trying to do, i fully appreciate why your doing the campaign however i think its unfair for you all to try and sway opinion by all pretending your all different people from different avenues of life when in fact your all 'comment warriors' from clear, i think its only fair to let the reading public know this fact in order to give a fair understanding of what’s actually going on. I think its unfair that many of you take the view to flood local news boards such as this talking about propaganda etc when you come on masse and don’t inform people your all from a lobbying group, its a double standard!

What you say isn't true though. I'm not from a lobbying group. I've been doing this for some time before CLEAR was even formed I think, certainly before I knew about it.

We are all just spreading the truth about cannabis, in countenance to the constant skewed negative sensationalism from pretty much all the mainstream media. The aim here isn't to do anything other than try and make the world a better place. The current cannabis laws are making the world a far worse place than it needs to be, therefore each of us, in our own way, are campaigning to change that.

Our only weapon is the truth though. How exactly can that be a bad thing?
If this is being organised in some way -brilliant - we need as much help as we can get here. I personally can't see anything bad about the organisation CLEAR and would recommend it without question.

The fact of the matter is you aren't just being "fair" to let the public know are you? It would be a fair guess to say that you are actually a bitter ex member of CLEAR who thinks it's OK to spread malicious hate and fear.

You appear to have become public enemy number one to most cannabis users in the UK, yet you used to purport to represent them. What an amazing turn around. You've got to be given some credit for that. Even if you do appear to not be a very nice person at all.

chunkymonkey - if you ever find a comment warrior posting any misinformation or lies about cannabis please say so. How better can the truth be made available to readers than to present facts for them to check out on forums such as this throughout the country. I bet a lot more people are now aware of Sativex, and the utter hypocrisy surrounding it, than they were before the comment warrior campaign.

chunkymunky wrote:
Ohhh its the 'comment warriors' again! For those who dont know who or what the above are there a band of merry men all from the same group 'clear' who troll the internet all day looking for news on cannabis and leave comments like the above in an attempt to promote pro-cannabis views on growing, cultivation and the legalities of it etc You will se from the 4 different comments there all in fact the same just worded slightly differently!

Just because someone makes a comment about decriminalizing/lega
lizing cannabis doesn't make that person a CLEAR member or a member of any organization that fights for a change in the current drug laws. I myself have posted on a number of website, newspapers, and such like. I speak for myself, not for any organization.
I personally don't agree with the infighting between the various groups or parties that want to change current cannabis laws. Instead of fighting we should all be working towards the same goal and not blaming each other of trolling or the be a member of a group which happens to be hated by another group.
For me cannabis should be made available legally both for medicinal and recreational use. UK and France are the only European countries where it is not available as a medicine. This has to change...I use cannabis medicinally for chronic backpain, sciaticca, and fibomyalgia. Instant and effective relief and no side-effects unlike the poison my GP prescribes me which may kill the pain but damages the liver, kidneys, causes severe drowsyness, constipation, etc, etc...and causes a physical addiction.
Time for a change!!!

Do you know, I would actually go as far as saying that CLEAR is probably the best chance we've ever had of changing the crazy laws in the UK.

If anyone wants to make a difference, they genuinely can now simply by joining CLEAR or even just doing the positive things CLEAR suggest for change. I don't see anyone else campaigning like them and there is nothing underhand about it. How can they possibly be a bad thing?

I don't have a campaign other people can join, but there is a very decent and credible one out there in CLEAR that I'd certainly recommend.

Hey chunkymunky, look what you've managed to achieve.

I for one have never actively promoted CLEAR, but you've got me doing so.

That surely can't have been your intended aim?

Anyone considering joining CLEAR should know that it is run by a bankrupt who has a conviction for fraud,

Please listen to dopefiends podcast #302 and #303 you will find the details in google,

You like the podcasts don't you Dan

Jack Herer wrote:
Do you know, I would actually go as far as saying that CLEAR is probably the best chance we've ever had of changing the crazy laws in the UK.

If anyone wants to make a difference, they genuinely can now simply by joining CLEAR or even just doing the positive things CLEAR suggest for change. I don't see anyone else campaigning like them and there is nothing underhand about it. How can they possibly be a bad thing?

I don't have a campaign other people can join, but there is a very decent and credible one out there in CLEAR that I'd certainly recommend.

Reynolds has had 17 MP's drop him for his racist and homophobic views how is that going to help?

Also there are many questions over the funding for CLEAR, no accounts have been made public and there are many unanswered questions

How long was the leader of CLEAR held for on the assault charge over the beating of a woman, was it 2 or 3 months?

Are you sure this is the best person for your support Jack?

What many of you dont realise is theres a few of us who read several local papers that cover an area in the north west and its many of the same people who comment each time plus the usual argument and accusations from 'D Bell'!

Jack- im not really bothered if my discussion promotes or doesnt any group inpertic, i was mearly commenting on the process that is obviously inplace where one searches the internet and lets others know, if this is not the case why is there never any comments on any other local story about anythign that isnt cannabis related? (Same goes for D bell who evidently follows you lot round posting the same accusations about homophobia, fraud etc!!) et you seem to think im some ex member of clear, i can assure you i am not, however im sure you have already amde your mind up! im actually a nurse who works in st helens and halton and lives in warrington, my previous background was actually in drugs and alcohol hecne why i dont post my personal views, they are mine and mine alone!

As i said before you guy campaign all you wish, im not even expressing my views or peronsal opinions about the use of cannabis, i just care about people being informed of whats really going on!

ps jack maybe you can just clairfy how exactly am i spreading hate and fear by questioning on mass commenting on a small local news paper from people not from the area??

No accusations from me chunky, just facts, the leader of CLEAR is a bankrupt and he has a conviction for fraud and he was held on remand for 3 months over an assault charge against his partner

I think your right Mrs bell he's not only assaulted his ex but he's assaulted my eyes for the last 8 months!

The laws on cannabis will never be reformed, not in our life time in the UK, its political suicide for any party.
It's also true the budget for fighting the war on drugs is massive, and no doubt could be better spent on schools, and hospitals. However, I don't think the police are at fault, just good people doing their jobs enforcing laws. I imagine it's no fun if you have young childern living next door to one of these farms.

That said if you look back at the history books, hemp was widely used around the world to create fabrics which in turn helped the world develop; and the bi-product, the flower was used recreationally. In the early twentieth century USA decided to declare war on the industry, led by one politian who interesting held a large stake in a cotton plantation tipped to be the next fabric of choice or so he hoped. The politian also had a family member in a senior police position, who went on to set up what is now the DEA, with the backing of the polititian.
Within a few years, cannabis was outlawed and the hemp trade was taken over by cotton.
The US propaganda was cemented around the western world, and many countries followed their steps.
Its this propaganda that is damaging in the drug culture today though. We are told often of the damages of cannabis use. In reality though, the use is less damaging than alcohol. This advice/propaganda in turn sends the wrong message to new users, who generally experiment firstly with cannabis. The new user thinks, whats all the hype about,they're just trying to spoil our fun? Then one week the dealer is out of cannabis and offers their clients some coke, or other harmful dirt; and then the user thinks well cannabis wasnt that bad was it, go on give us some; and before they know it their hooked, and in a life of crime to pay for their fixes.
This saddens me as I have witnessed this first hand far too often. so please send out the right message, legalise it, tax it, and keep the kids from those greedy dealers

Why we are handing the huge profits from cannabis consumption to organised criminal gangs who would mug your granny or worse, is completely beyond me.

How much are we losing in revenue? let alone how much it is costing the UK tax payer to mount this operation which will achieve absolutely nothing, they find one but another 10 maybe more have got away and the one that has been discovered will simply be replaced. ITS A LOSING BATTLE, no matter what anyone says, over 3 million people use cannabis in the uk. Why this government doesn't permit people to grow their own medicine is not only abhorrent, but fiscally incompetent to boot. The revenue that could be raised is tremendous, a licence fee for small growers and those who do not are simply treated in the same way a person is without a tv licence, no arrest, no seizing of plants or equipment just a simple summons which one does not even have to attend.

As for Clear, I joined recently because I feel those who are trying their best to discredit the movement have ulterior motives and are indeed the enemy of most cannabis users be they recreational or medicinal. So it is because of the negative campaigning against "Clear" that made me have a look at what they was doing and it should be obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense to see that "clear" are making good progress on this issue, So I jumped on board because it is the best opportunity I feel we have about bringing about real and substantial change and I would like to feel a part of that change.

@Chunkymunky, Jack seems to accuse everyone who tells the sad truth of Clear and its racist leader of "hate" and "nonsense" and as for Clear being the best chance of reform....pish,A license policy that will strip more rights than it gives ,What a joke that is.much like the rest left at Clear-ly deluded

I am not a member of CLEAR and i comment on these storys that i get posted to me by some friends on facebook. but i do recognize D.Bell as a person who seems to spend all his time trying to bad mouth CLEAR so he is not a supporter but i do see him as part of the force that wants to keep prohibition in place and he needs to recognize the facebook generation is smart enough to recognize a troll when we see one and starting fights on forums like this are the actions of a troll . on this story i would like to say......

http:www.gwpharm.com
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pass that link on to the cops it will direct them to the biggest cannabis farm in Europe those criminal thugs are charging more than the street price of dirty badly grown cannabis for their own superskunk and if your in any doubt if its cannabis you can spray it on a rizla paper let it dry and smoke it like primo canna oil same high and everything. so why are we paying the police to hit home growers is it because they cant hit back

and it looks like D bell has his own comment warriors well well well i think i will join CLEAR now because they seem to have frightened some people with a vested interest that must be a good thing

chunkymunky wrote:
What many of you dont realise is theres a few of us who read several local papers that cover an area in the north west and its many of the same people who comment each time plus the usual argument and accusations from 'D Bell'!

Jack- im not really bothered if my discussion promotes or doesnt any group inpertic, i was mearly commenting on the process that is obviously inplace where one searches the internet and lets others know, if this is not the case why is there never any comments on any other local story about anythign that isnt cannabis related? (Same goes for D bell who evidently follows you lot round posting the same accusations about homophobia, fraud etc!!) et you seem to think im some ex member of clear, i can assure you i am not, however im sure you have already amde your mind up! im actually a nurse who works in st helens and halton and lives in warrington, my previous background was actually in drugs and alcohol hecne why i dont post my personal views, they are mine and mine alone!

As i said before you guy campaign all you wish, im not even expressing my views or peronsal opinions about the use of cannabis, i just care about people being informed of whats really going on!

You're from the North West are you?

Funny, that's my exact area, the one I've been posting for years on now.

I saturate it so much in fact that I actually cover other stories - alcohol, violence, kiddie fiddlers - related things where you can show the improvements with cannabis.

You've come across D Bell and you've never come across me and your area is the North West?

Not being funny but your story just doesn't add up if that's the case.

chunkymunky wrote:
ps jack maybe you can just clairfy how exactly am i spreading hate and fear by questioning on mass commenting on a small local news paper from people not from the area??

Because I don't actually believe you. Sorry but your story just doesn't add up. If you are supposed from the North West, and you have supposedly being campaigning like me, or at least keeping your eye on things, then you would have undoubtedly seen me.

The problem for you is that you have chosen the wrong story because it happens to be the wrong paper. I very much am from the area.

I rarely go national. I regularly go local.

D Bell / Sinister Dexter / Brian_C

Keep up your good work. Every negative post you do about Peter Reynolds and CLEAR is making people choose sides.

As you can see decent people are coming out of the woodwork to choose sides against you. You are making them choose CLEAR because no-one wants to be associated with you. Brilliant - you are one of the most successful campaigns that CLEAR have ever had it would appear. I have certainly never campaigned as actively for a political party before - not before you jokers arrived on the scene.

Here's food for thought - on Valentine's night the 3 of you spent your time posting hate filled nonsense. I honestly can't think of a sadder life than that. That's got to be a big LOL though with people as unpleasant as you.

Do you think you are being rewarded with what you deserve?

The cannabis community in general seems to think so.

I regularly read this site & the Warrington Guardian site...this has very few (if any) comments on news articles....unlike Warrington Guardian site...
As soon as I saw the Drugs article....I was not surprised to see the same old comments from the Druggies of Warrington....any excuse to go on about how good cannabis is, how all their research is the truth and everyone else's is wrong....
Oh, and any chance to bad mouth the police....they grab with both hands.
I would just love to see how they would react if a drug dealer lived next door to them and brought the misery, ASB, drug users, criminals and general low life to their neighbourhood....how quick would they moan to the police then...
Give it a rest guys, we know your views and it's getting boring now...!!

Well jack as I have said you've made up your mind, as have I and it's evident your nothing but an opinionated idiot who is 'always right'! I have never seen you about nor comment on local articles in this paper nor the Warrington guardian unless it's the usual copied and pasted drivel! Don't accuse me of being something I'm not, I have no agendas, I simply comment in local articles that affect me and my community! Now crawl back to your paranoid little darkened room...if I was one of the pro-campaign lot I'd very much distance myself from you because you do the argument of 'cannabis doesn't make you paranoid or mentally unwell' no favours! Now troll off you foolish individual and go bore others!!

You know jack I've just re-read all of your comments and I take back what I say, your not an idiot your evidently very unwell! Maybe it's time for a lay down and a chat with one of our many primary healthcare providers!!

Saysitasitis wrote:
I regularly read this site & the Warrington Guardian site...this has very few (if any) comments on news articles....unlike Warrington Guardian site...
As soon as I saw the Drugs article....I was not surprised to see the same old comments from the Druggies of Warrington....any excuse to go on about how good cannabis is, how all their research is the truth and everyone else's is wrong....
Oh, and any chance to bad mouth the police....they grab with both hands.
I would just love to see how they would react if a drug dealer lived next door to them and brought the misery, ASB, drug users, criminals and general low life to their neighbourhood....how quick would they moan to the police then...
Give it a rest guys, we know your views and it's getting boring now...!!

You are just completely wrong.

No-one is bad mouthing the police. The police are doing a difficult job under senseless laws. We want to see the police catch real criminals. The police want to catch real criminals. We appreciate the police have a very difficult job.

Not all "drugs" are the same Saysitasitis. Heroin for instance is bad - very very bad. Those stories you read about with war heroes or old grannies getting shameless beaten and robbed. Those are heroin addicts doing that to feed their addiction.

Alcohol is also very bad. You know those tramps you see - living in hostels completely devoid of pride or dignity. Those are alcoholics. You know all the violence and anti-social behaviour you see round our town centres? That's alcohol too. You know all those full hospitals with liver disease and various other conditions including mental health issues. That's alcohol too.

Cannabis isn't bad like those drugs Saysitasitis. Far more people are admitted to hospital for peanuts than cannabis. Cannabis has massive proven medical benefits. Cannabis users even live for longer than non-users - oh yes - all scientific facts.

That's what we are trying to change Saysitasitis. Yes drugs are bad, but cannabis isn't one of those drugs. Therefore handing supply to hardcore criminals is incredibly self defeating for society. It's also going against science.

That's not been good since the middle ages basically.

chunkymunky wrote:
Well jack as I have said you've made up your mind, as have I and it's evident your nothing but an opinionated idiot who is 'always right'! I have never seen you about nor comment on local articles in this paper nor the Warrington guardian unless it's the usual copied and pasted drivel! Don't accuse me of being something I'm not, I have no agendas, I simply comment in local articles that affect me and my community! Now crawl back to your paranoid little darkened room...if I was one of the pro-campaign lot I'd very much distance myself from you because you do the argument of 'cannabis doesn't make you paranoid or mentally unwell' no favours! Now troll off you foolish individual and go bore others!!

Fair enough - you seemed like something else, but if I'm wrong I'm wrong though - I have no qualms admitting that.

Your timing was just oddly and therefore suspiciously coincidental, however those things do obviously happen.

I'm sorry if I have caused any offence. I'm genuinely just a normal bloke with no other agenda than just trying to undo ignorance and therefore get things changed for the better.

It's no one elses agenda than mine though for what it's worth. Fortunately as things change, that agenda becomes more and more people's though who just have the same thought.

That's why you are seeing more people. More people want change.

Where has D Bell got his/her username??

Is this person really Debra Bell, the prohibition propagandist??

1LoveUnity wrote:
Where has D Bell got his/her username??

Is this person really Debra Bell, the prohibition propagandist??

That would definitely make sense, as he / she is part of a group actively campaigning against cannabis change.

@Jack, I wont add Herer as you dirty the great mans name,you stated "D Bell / Sinister Dexter / Brian_C

Keep up your good work. Every negative post you do about Peter Reynolds and CLEAR is making people choose sides." Maybe this is a good thing.A lot of people have sussed out what Peter and his cohorts are about,you are welcome to the support of EDL followers as it seems they are very interested in Clear and its leaders views and opinions. On one of their hate pages they even wrote "Peter Reynolds for PM". Which just about says it all really. Clear is welcome to have their support imo

Saysitasitis wrote:
I regularly read this site & the Warrington Guardian site...this has very few (if any) comments on news articles....unlike Warrington Guardian site...
As soon as I saw the Drugs article....I was not surprised to see the same old comments from the Druggies of Warrington....any excuse to go on about how good cannabis is, how all their research is the truth and everyone else's is wrong....
Oh, and any chance to bad mouth the police....they grab with both hands.
I would just love to see how they would react if a drug dealer lived next door to them and brought the misery, ASB, drug users, criminals and general low life to their neighbourhood....how quick would they moan to the police then...
Give it a rest guys, we know your views and it's getting boring now...!!

Does it not bother you that you are utterly ignorant and completely bigoted in your prejudice drivel?

Druggies of Warrington? Is that all we are? As for supposedly going on about "how great cannabis is", it is clear that you have either not bothered to read, or fail to have the capacity to understand what this debate is about.

You ask us how we would react if a drug dealer lived next door? If it wasn't for prohibition and these failed drug laws, we wouldn't have drug dealers in the first place.

If our views are so boring, why persist in commenting and reading them?

The whole world is waking up and realising that we need radical change to our drug policy if we are to ever defeat these so called neighbourhood drug dealers.. Why are you so blind to this?

"Let's play a game of make-believe. Pretend you're a Home Office minister. One of your European neighbours employs a radical public health policy and, 10 years later, has seen huge improvements in the measurements of all the relevant health outcomes. The evidence for the efficacy of that health policy is widespread; the British Medical Journal and World Health Organisation have both issued major pieces of research, along with one of the leading journals in the field, which say that in general the policy has positive effects. Further, the proposed policy is significantly cheaper than the existing one, and has the added bonus of giving more responsibility and freedom to individual citizens. What do you do?

Well, obviously, if the policy is the decriminalisation of drug use, then you reject it out of hand."

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Our government is spineless and cowardly in allowing the violence and misery caused by prohibition to continue. They care nothing for the lives it blights only do they care about their political status.

Thanks for the link SickAndTired2 that is a great article in The Telegraph.

Jack Herer wrote:
D Bell / Sinister Dexter / Brian_C

Keep up your good work. Every negative post you do about Peter Reynolds and CLEAR is making people choose sides.

As you can see decent people are coming out of the woodwork to choose sides against you. You are making them choose CLEAR because no-one wants to be associated with you. Brilliant - you are one of the most successful campaigns that CLEAR have ever had it would appear. I have certainly never campaigned as actively for a political party before - not before you jokers arrived on the scene.

Here's food for thought - on Valentine's night the 3 of you spent your time posting hate filled nonsense. I honestly can't think of a sadder life than that. That's got to be a big LOL though with people as unpleasant as you.

Do you think you are being rewarded with what you deserve?

The cannabis community in general seems to think so.

I read articles and the subsequent comments concerning this topic myself whenever they appear, yet rarely post myself as it is just the same arguments back and forth. While i too hope for a change in attitude, I hardly think arguing like children is the way to do it. The above comment from Jack Herer says it all. Instead of attempting to make your sparring partners look like idiots by suggesting they are some kind of sad freaks for posting on, shock, Valentines night. Why not concentrate on getting your point across in a manner that suggests cannabis users are not only friendly, but actually just want to the world to have a choice when it comes to usage. It seems your main agenda is actually to argue with people and make them look stupid. So please, enlighten us all with how you spent your Valentines night. Judging from the amount of time you seem to spend researching and posting about cannabis, one can only assume you are single so I hardly think you are the best person to ridicule others on how they conduct a Valentines evening- are we to believe that you treated your partner to a lavish meal out perchance? A romantic walk along the beach? Flowers, chocolates and the whole she-bang? This must be the case if you live a different life to the 'sadder' ones you so fit to poke fun at here. Or did you spend your evening talking about, thinking about, smoking, and researching cannabis? Is that, too, not "food for thought". Everyone has as much right to an opinion as you my friend, and should be able to broadcast that without fear of being ridiculed like a school child simply for their posting time. This morning at 8am those 3 people you singled out were perhaps in the gym, playing with their children or enjoying some quality time with their loved ones before heading off to work or wherever. Where were you? On your own, on a computer arguing with people who you think have the saddest lives possible.

Jack Herer wrote:
D Bell / Sinister Dexter / Brian_C

Keep up your good work. Every negative post you do about Peter Reynolds and CLEAR is making people choose sides.

As you can see decent people are coming out of the woodwork to choose sides against you. You are making them choose CLEAR because no-one wants to be associated with you. Brilliant - you are one of the most successful campaigns that CLEAR have ever had it would appear. I have certainly never campaigned as actively for a political party before - not before you jokers arrived on the scene.

Here's food for thought - on Valentine's night the 3 of you spent your time posting hate filled nonsense. I honestly can't think of a sadder life than that. That's got to be a big LOL though with people as unpleasant as you.

Do you think you are being rewarded with what you deserve?

The cannabis community in general seems to think so.

I read articles and the subsequent comments concerning this topic myself whenever they appear, yet rarely post myself as it is just the same arguments back and forth. While i too hope for a change in attitude, I hardly think arguing like children is the way to do it. The above comment from Jack Herer says it all. Instead of attempting to make your sparring partners look like idiots by suggesting they are some kind of sad freaks for posting on, shock, Valentines night. Why not concentrate on getting your point across in a manner that suggests cannabis users are not only friendly, but actually just want to the world to have a choice when it comes to usage. It seems your main agenda is actually to argue with people and make them look stupid. So please, enlighten us all with how you spent your Valentines night. Judging from the amount of time you seem to spend researching and posting about cannabis, one can only assume you are single so I hardly think you are the best person to ridicule others on how they conduct a Valentines evening- are we to believe that you treated your partner to a lavish meal out perchance? A romantic walk along the beach? Flowers, chocolates and the whole she-bang? This must be the case if you live a different life to the 'sadder' ones you so fit to poke fun at here. Or did you spend your evening talking about, thinking about, smoking, and researching cannabis? Is that, too, not "food for thought". Everyone has as much right to an opinion as you my friend, and should be able to broadcast that without fear of being ridiculed like a school child simply for their posting time. This morning at 8am those 3 people you singled out were perhaps in the gym, playing with their children or enjoying some quality time with their loved ones before heading off to work or wherever. Where were you? On your own, on a computer arguing with people who you think have the saddest lives possible.

@MangoHaze do you honestly believe such hate filled trolls like D Bell / Sinister Dexter / Brian_C deserve anything but contempt? They serve no purpose other than to derail the campaign that CLEAR is promoting and should not be taken seriously in the slightest.

SickAndTired2 wrote:
@MangoHaze do you honestly believe such hate filled trolls like D Bell / Sinister Dexter / Brian_C deserve anything but contempt? They serve no purpose other than to derail the campaign that CLEAR is promoting and should not be taken seriously in the slightest.

Define 'contempt'. Is it really to belittle people about how they spend their Valentines day? What does that have to do with the debate? How is that helping the pro-cannabis movement?

After looking at a few other paper's with similar articles, it would appear Mr Herer is a busy man. He was posting himself on Valentines day. Again, we can only assume he had already made an extra special effort to treat his special man/lady to a great night ahead, or that, unlike i had previously thought, was not working from home (who else can post so much during the day when the rest of us are busy) and didn't need to be spending those precious hour's he spent arguing on here with his partner. Even if he is single, who is he, and what purpose does it serve, to be so nasty?

Instead of arguing for the sake of it, argue why cannabis should be legalized instead of picking on people in such a personal manner, or you're just as daft and idiotic as those 'hate filled' moaners.

just to let you guys know a little about me I come from an Irish socialist / Republican back ground i have friends from the N. Irish loyalist background with very different politics in everything, everything that is except cannabis prohibition and thanks to people like D.Bell and his comment warriors I have now joined CLEAR along with a few of my facebook friends from all the different political backgrounds and areas across the U,K and Ireland and you will be hearing more from us every time a story like this appears anywhere. we do not all agree on many thing but on the subject of cannabis we are one voice so get used to the noise we are going to keep making and it will get louder democracy in action i call it

It strikes me that the people who have come on here to actually talk about the story and subjects arising from it are now being attacked by people who have very little to say on the subject of the story. Unfortunately it is they who have turned what started as a few people trying to talk frankly about the subject of Cannabis into an unseemly public spectacle.

Why does anyone support prohibition anyway? Less people use all sorts of drugs when Cannabis is dealt with more humanely, so why not ease up a bit?

MangoHaze wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:
D Bell / Sinister Dexter / Brian_C

Keep up your good work. Every negative post you do about Peter Reynolds and CLEAR is making people choose sides.

As you can see decent people are coming out of the woodwork to choose sides against you. You are making them choose CLEAR because no-one wants to be associated with you. Brilliant - you are one of the most successful campaigns that CLEAR have ever had it would appear. I have certainly never campaigned as actively for a political party before - not before you jokers arrived on the scene.

Here's food for thought - on Valentine's night the 3 of you spent your time posting hate filled nonsense. I honestly can't think of a sadder life than that. That's got to be a big LOL though with people as unpleasant as you.

Do you think you are being rewarded with what you deserve?

The cannabis community in general seems to think so.

I read articles and the subsequent comments concerning this topic myself whenever they appear, yet rarely post myself as it is just the same arguments back and forth. While i too hope for a change in attitude, I hardly think arguing like children is the way to do it. The above comment from Jack Herer says it all. Instead of attempting to make your sparring partners look like idiots by suggesting they are some kind of sad freaks for posting on, shock, Valentines night. Why not concentrate on getting your point across in a manner that suggests cannabis users are not only friendly, but actually just want to the world to have a choice when it comes to usage. It seems your main agenda is actually to argue with people and make them look stupid. So please, enlighten us all with how you spent your Valentines night. Judging from the amount of time you seem to spend researching and posting about cannabis, one can only assume you are single so I hardly think you are the best person to ridicule others on how they conduct a Valentines evening- are we to believe that you treated your partner to a lavish meal out perchance? A romantic walk along the beach? Flowers, chocolates and the whole she-bang? This must be the case if you live a different life to the 'sadder' ones you so fit to poke fun at here. Or did you spend your evening talking about, thinking about, smoking, and researching cannabis? Is that, too, not "food for thought". Everyone has as much right to an opinion as you my friend, and should be able to broadcast that without fear of being ridiculed like a school child simply for their posting time. This morning at 8am those 3 people you singled out were perhaps in the gym, playing with their children or enjoying some quality time with their loved ones before heading off to work or wherever. Where were you? On your own, on a computer arguing with people who you think have the saddest lives possible.

Listen I'm not out to offend here. Those people I mentioned go about posting hate filled smears all over the net. It isn't nice and it isn't pleasant, and it is having a detrimental effect on the ongoing campaign to change our cannabis laws.

I started by asking them to stop - quite politely, but they carried on. So I pointed out the detrimental effect it was having on a campaign they claim to represent, but again they wouldn't stop.

Here they are again doing the same sick stuff - the type of stuff the tabloids stoop to. They won't stop apparently, no matter how much harm it is doing to the cannabis campaign.

So I'll be honest, if someone is acting so unpleasantly, throwing out crazy insults, then I'll yob some back. If they can't take it, don't give it. Although, you're probably right in that I've perhaps gone a bit too far. Does someone ever deserve that?

I'm not having a go about people on their own on Valentine's night - god knows I've spent enough of them on my own in my time. I'm saying that on the night of the year we celebrate love, these people were doing the same sick stuff - spreading hate not love. Let's be honest if someone does that, are they ever going to find the right person? That would be one hell fire relationship if they did. Who knows though - maybe their loved one was next to them, frothing at the excitement of being so unpleasant.

Spreading complete hate in such a low way isn't a good thing on Valentine's is it? How many people advertise on dating sites for that?

I don't insult anyone who hasn't insulted first, but wow those fellas have been firing them out like a shotgun.

MangoHaze wrote:

SickAndTired2 wrote:
@MangoHaze do you honestly believe such hate filled trolls like D Bell / Sinister Dexter / Brian_C deserve anything but contempt? They serve no purpose other than to derail the campaign that CLEAR is promoting and should not be taken seriously in the slightest.

Define 'contempt'. Is it really to belittle people about how they spend their Valentines day? What does that have to do with the debate? How is that helping the pro-cannabis movement?

After looking at a few other paper's with similar articles, it would appear Mr Herer is a busy man. He was posting himself on Valentines day. Again, we can only assume he had already made an extra special effort to treat his special man/lady to a great night ahead, or that, unlike i had previously thought, was not working from home (who else can post so much during the day when the rest of us are busy) and didn't need to be spending those precious hour's he spent arguing on here with his partner. Even if he is single, who is he, and what purpose does it serve, to be so nasty?

Instead of arguing for the sake of it, argue why cannabis should be legalized instead of picking on people in such a personal manner, or you're just as daft and idiotic as those 'hate filled' moaners.

You are right of course, I probably shouldn't do it.

Who is going to keep their hate filled spew in check though? They are having a very detrimental effect on a campaign I believe in passionately to be honest. I want them to stop so I am going to try and make them stop. Surely ridicule is the best tool we have at the moment - it's the only tool I have unfortunately. I probably should just ignore them, but when they are in your face it's difficult.

Take a look at this very story though - I started it with a positive post, nothing to do with any bickering. I have continued to post like that when opportunity arose. Every single post from those people I mentioned is just bickering though - even chunkymunky. None of their posts are simple ones regarding the positive effects of cannabis - all are just bickering. Read them all back if you don't believe me.

For what it's worth MangoHaze, I wasn't on here last night arguing - that was only yesterday afternoon!

Last night I drove a bus load of orphans to go and see a panda who's paw I had just mended. Either that or I watched some crap on the telly. Or I read a book. I forget now.

What I'm saying is I don't make a habit of directly insulting people like that - it was a very very special occasion. In fairness I've only done it in the past couple of days too, whilst those people were behaving in the quite bizarrely low imanner they have been and having a totally detrimental effect on the positive face of cannabis change.

And my goodness they incensed me for it!

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I am against the prohibition of cannabis and I am also against racists, homophobes and people who commit fraud, especially when they lead political parties

lol @ Dan Ford, leader of comment warriors and where's Lee Prew today? Lee, isn't it about time you got a job? stop this supporting racists and get a job instead of claiming benefits

Here's a cracking article on CLEAR and the 'hidden' agenda of their leader Peter Reynolds

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I do wish people would start talking more about liberty and less about a plant. Until you get your liberty...you'll not be allowed to grow the plant. It's all about us. Try talking about that for a change.

Sinister Dexter wrote:
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Mangohaze is right. I'm no longer going to insult you in the way I have. I am having a detrimental effect on the cannabis campaign by doing so, so I am going to stop.

I have no idea who you are, but here's a true story. A good few years ago now I had the idea to try and change the cannabis laws I knew to be ridiculously unscientific and were having a totally detrimental effect on society from reading books by amazing people like Jack Herer and Lester Grinspoon.

I choose the name Jack Herer, and where a location is stated, "Look me up", to try and get people to do something really simple which could suddenly and remarkably show them the truth, and how they've just been bizarrely lied to. Jack Herer really was that first little boy in the crowd to shout; "the emperor wears no clothes!" With cannabis, the emperor really does wear no clothes - I made it my hobby to spread the word.

When I first went on sites like this, even my local one, there only seemed to be me doing it - the other comments were just the same ignorant bigotry with the same standard untrue prejudices repeated ad nauseum. I knew that because I had the truth I could change minds though.

Slowly you see opinions changing, and you see other people debating the truth themselves. Now, I don't need to go on my local site any more. When I go on sound people are already there. We are all now shouting; "the emperor wears no clothes."

I also choose the user name Jack Herer because I sincerely don't want anyone to know who I am. I actually have a very boring, very technical job where I am well respected by my colleagues and counterparts. I am literally an expert in my vocational field.

The world we live with cannabis at the moment is one of shadow and deceit. People have crazy misconceptions regarding cannabis users. Society in general has a clichéd view of stoners totally driven by the tabloids. It just isn't wise to confer use in a professional capacity - why would I want my colleagues and counterparts to know I even have any positive opinion on cannabis?

I cannot campaign in any other way to change those misconceptions than this.

Please stop what you are doing, it isn't nice and it is having a negative effect on a real push for positive change - to society in general, but on a personal level; imagine the wonderful range of choice you'd have come legalisation. No more Hobson's choice from the criminal.

Unless your aim is to stop cannabis being legalised of course. Is it?

This may be a long shot, but a thought has occurred; Mangohaze, do you like Pina Coladas, and getting caught in the rain?

Jack Herer wrote:
For what it's worth MangoHaze, I wasn't on here last night arguing - that was only yesterday afternoon!

Last night I drove a bus load of orphans to go and see a panda who's paw I had just mended. Either that or I watched some crap on the telly. Or I read a book. I forget now.

What I'm saying is I don't make a habit of directly insulting people like that - it was a very very special occasion. In fairness I've only done it in the past couple of days too, whilst those people were behaving in the quite bizarrely low imanner they have been and having a totally detrimental effect on the positive face of cannabis change.

And my goodness they incensed me for it!

I am sure it was, JH. But, I am guessing you had all your Valentine wonder's arranged by lunch then, otherwise, back to my original point- who are you to trash those who debate on such a special night, that you yourself only saw fit to watch crap on telly. Or read a book. You forget now. So you are just as single or 'sad' as those you mocked. Or you have a very unlucky lady your end. I for one would be mortified if you were my partner, certainly after reprimanding other's for making such little effort themselves.

Would love to stay and handbag, bud I have some fine bud to smoke.

MangoHaze wrote:

Jack Herer wrote:
For what it's worth MangoHaze, I wasn't on here last night arguing - that was only yesterday afternoon!

Last night I drove a bus load of orphans to go and see a panda who's paw I had just mended. Either that or I watched some crap on the telly. Or I read a book. I forget now.

What I'm saying is I don't make a habit of directly insulting people like that - it was a very very special occasion. In fairness I've only done it in the past couple of days too, whilst those people were behaving in the quite bizarrely low imanner they have been and having a totally detrimental effect on the positive face of cannabis change.

And my goodness they incensed me for it!

I am sure it was, JH. But, I am guessing you had all your Valentine wonder's arranged by lunch then, otherwise, back to my original point- who are you to trash those who debate on such a special night, that you yourself only saw fit to watch crap on telly. Or read a book. You forget now. So you are just as single or 'sad' as those you mocked. Or you have a very unlucky lady your end. I for one would be mortified if you were my partner, certainly after reprimanding other's for making such little effort themselves.

Would love to stay and handbag, bud I have some fine bud to smoke.

And a Pina Colada to sup you kinky cow!